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ufos seem to be invading both our skies

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and our news outlets like never before

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and more people are starting to look up

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and are wondering who

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or what might be out there in 2016

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ryan spregg introduced the world to

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countless ufo encounters that had never

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been made public before

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and now in the second edition of his

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book he revisits these events and

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introduces brand new ufo cases

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in somewhere in the skies a human

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approach to the ufo phenomenon

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how have these events changed the lives

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of those involved

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and what might it tell us about the

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phenomenon with in-depth follow-ups

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testimony from credible witnesses and

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insight

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from those in the psychological academic

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and scientific fields

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somewhere in the skies a human approach

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to the ufo phenomenon

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weaves together a story of stories

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attempting to get to the heart of these

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mysteries

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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spread

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jeremy mcgowan served in the u.s air

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force security forces

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for four years in 1995 he was deployed

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on a classified security mission deep in

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the jordanian desert

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in the middle east his mission to guard

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a large crate contents unknown in the

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dead of night

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in the desolate sands i get uh i get to

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my post

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i don't remember who's a captain or a

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lieutenant but he basically said

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all right here's here's your post what

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am i doing he's like well you're

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guarding this crate

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okay what's in the crate don't ask that

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question all right what do you mean by

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guard the crate

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where are my sops where's my rules of

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engagement he was like just don't let

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anybody near it

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can you define near it no just don't let

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anybody near the crate

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is anybody authorized near the crate no

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don't let anybody

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near the crate what happens if somebody

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gets near the crate shoot him

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while guarding the crate he and another

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security member

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had what can only be described as an

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authentic

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ufo event directly above the crate

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i saw his head drop down and swing to

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the left and i'm like yep

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he saw and he takes the nods off

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and he just hands him back to me he

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pulls out another cigarette he lights it

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and he walks off

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we never spoke about it again and it

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just burned itself into my brain man

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after coming forward for the very first

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time ever on the history channel

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unidentified mcgowan is convinced that

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he may just find some answers

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along with the former director of atip

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the secret pentagon ufo program

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luis elizondo and i've had conversations

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with lou

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and he has never told me what it is

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solid belief that he knows exactly what

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but i also believe that why he knows

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is because of his association during his

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involvement with the government which

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falls under his classification and his

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and he cannot say he's adamant

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to me that i am going to know what it

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was that i saw

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and what if the ufo above was somehow

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connected to the crate below

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what could it all mean and what was in

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we might not always be the good guys and

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i say that because

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in my research i believe that i've

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tracked down the final dispensation of

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that crate

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where it went and why it went there and

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my hypothesis and my theory is is true

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about that

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the united states may well deserve a lot

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of the bad monikers that we've earned

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jeremy first off i want to thank you for

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your service and

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welcome you to somewhere in the skies

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thank you thank you ryan i greatly

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appreciate it

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it's good to be here thanks man well a

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have seen you recently on the history

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television series unidentified and we're

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gonna dig deep into that

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and why you were on the show but before

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um i was wondering could you sort of

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paint us a picture for the listeners of

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who you are and maybe a little about why

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and what your duties were and all that

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don't mind

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yeah you know the origin story just

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saying it like that makes it sound a

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whole lot sexier than it actually is

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um why i joined the air force uh

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family has a huge military history which

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they kind of do or i was influenced by

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a great hero or something like that but

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right out of high school i was working

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uh i didn't really fit in with the big

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i had long hair probably a little bit of

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a mullet going on back in those days

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of course this was the late 80s so if

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you didn't play soccer and have a mullet

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you were doing life wrong

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um but i was working in uh diagnostic

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and repair of the ps2 systems that ibm

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and uh you know like i said i didn't

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and one one day after a particularly

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force guys were all the way in the back

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and i just kind of plop my butt down in

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their desk and they're like can i help

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you and i was like yeah

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get me the hell out of here they're like

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what do you want to do

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six months later i'm i'm in basic

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gotcha no i don't know if um if

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if you're willing to share jeremy or not

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but could you maybe give us an

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idea of you know what rank you were

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um when you finally left uh maybe a

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the operations that you worked on again

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may be a little sensitive but yeah maybe

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give us an idea of that

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yeah there's there's some things that i

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can't uh can't go into but

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the generalities are fine so i did a

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total of about 12 years

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the vast majority of my time was spent

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a lot of a little bit depending on how

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you want to look at it i broke

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my back during desert storm uh

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when i was actually uh riding an atv

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you knew where i was going yeah exactly

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well we had an f-16 that went down in

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of course i was riding the atvs through

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the desert you got no supervision you

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i ended up one night wearing my night

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vision goggles you have no depth

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perception with the night vision goggles

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went up a sand dune and didn't uh hadn't

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realize that the wind had carved out the

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back side of the dune

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and i just launched myself off the dune

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and fell about 60 feet to the ground

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broke all four axles of the atv and

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fractured my back

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but uh didn't actually know that i

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fractured my back

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uh i was still able to walk i wasn't

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paralyzed or anything they uh

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they got me out of there and of course

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this is in the

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early 90s in the middle of you know a

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medical technology at that time kind of

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sucked so basically all i got was a

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an x-ray and they saw swelling and stuff

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like that but they never saw the

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so i was up and walking around with a

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broken back and it never healed properly

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so the reason i'm saying this is when i

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towards the end of my military career i

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an early release for uh officer

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commissioning program

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and i was going through my officer

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training at tyndall air force base

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and i slipped off of one of the

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obstacles and i couldn't get back up

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anymore

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and they they sent me in for an mri and

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they saw

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all the damage that i had done to my

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back you know 10

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11 years prior and they were like well

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you're no longer fit for military

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service have have a nice life

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so had i uh had i not tried to go from

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enlisted to

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becoming an officer i probably still uh

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would be in if if not retired by now

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and back to civilian life you sort of go

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but man

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that's uh quite a journey you've had and

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so

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like i mentioned uh the primary focus of

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this interview

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is an encounter you had while in the

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military but

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before that even happened before we

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really get into that event

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do you ever think about ufos before this

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had you ever seen anything

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what did you make of this whole ufo

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thing or a question or issue before this

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you know i i

314
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sure have i thought about ufos before

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yeah you look up in the sky you see

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something it's probably a helicopter

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probably an airplane

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you're like what the hell is that it

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doesn't look right but

320
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you're always considering it could be

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something or it might be something else

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right but

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it never is and when you're a kid

324
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obviously you have a

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vivid imagination and you know when i'm

326
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i was

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six years old when star wars came out so

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you know

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you kind of get your psyche primed for

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things with science fiction the last

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starfighter for example you know

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you you kind of want the guy to come

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down and recruit you to fly the

334
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strange extreme spaceships but then you

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grow up

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and uh you know i i never fell into

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the ufo crowd i never went to a mufon

338
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uh convention i never did any of that

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sort of stuff i've never even picked up

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or read a ufo book

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i think the closest i ever got to

342
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anything in ufology was

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maybe reading some of uh eric von

344
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danican's books

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like chariots of the gods and things

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like that that were written

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that was probably back in the 1960s yeah

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and uh

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you know just just old school stuff but

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i've never been a

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an alien conspiracy theorist you know i

352
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might watch

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ancient aliens when when i can't find my

354
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remote and there's nothing else to turn

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the tv on to

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but you know for the for by and large

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the most part i look at it as

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entertainment

359
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well hey that's a good way to to sort of

360
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look at it because a lot of the times

361
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when people come forward

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with a ufo story or whatnot uh

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you end up hearing oh yeah they've read

364
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300 books on ufos

365
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they've uh believed in this stuff their

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whole lives and

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it kind of paints a uh a very biased

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perception of that individual you know

369
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they're probably fantastic

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exactly exactly so it's refreshing when

371
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someone like you

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you know no preconceived notions or

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baggage has an event

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like what we're gonna talk about an

375
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extraordinary event like this

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and uh can come out on the other side

377
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just as credible and legitimate as

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the next military witness so um like i

379
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mentioned earlier

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unidentified the television show on the

381
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history channel

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is where i was able to find you and

383
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connect with you

384
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and um how did this opportunity come

385
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about jeremy before we again i'm teasing

386
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the event i know we will get there

387
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because i'm

388
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done to hear it how'd this opportunity

389
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come about

390
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and what compelled you to go public with

391
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this with this television series

392
00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:35,200
well uh let's answer the first question

393
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first how did the opportunity come about

394
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um like i told you i haven't really

395
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dived into the world of ufology

396
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but i was sitting on my sofa one day and

397
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i

398
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know that the uh

399
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the series was out i had never even

400
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heard of it because

401
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i don't i don't have cable at my house i

402
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:00,959
use hulu for everything

403
00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,839
so i don't watch a lot of tv and when i

404
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,040
saw that episode

405
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:07,680
it just happened to be the episode where

406
00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:09,360
they were talking about

407
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um the ufos and the nukes in season one

408
00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:17,120
and as i'm as i'm watching that episode

409
00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:20,240
it was just like a mental gate a

410
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:22,000
floodgate opened up

411
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and everything that i went through back

412
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,600
in the early 90s it just came back to me

413
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and it became

414
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:33,120
it became an itch that i had to scratch

415
00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:39,509
so i got on reddit and i didn't want to

416
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:40,639
get on the show i didn't even think

417
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about getting on the show

418
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,160
as far as i knew it was you know one

419
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,160
season and it had already been done and

420
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:48,880
it was over and done with but i get on

421
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reddit

422
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:53,279
and i post a kind of watered-down

423
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:55,279
version of my story

424
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:58,399
but i did it in a way not to i don't

425
00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,199
even remember

426
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:01,680
if i posted it in one of the ufo subs or

427
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,000
if i posted in one of the military subs

428
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:07,199
but the idea was i was trying to

429
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:10,959
find anybody that was on this operation

430
00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:14,399
that i was on that could validate my

431
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:15,360
story

432
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:17,680
i wanted to reach out and reconnect with

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people

434
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,680
that had been on the same operation uh

435
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one person in particular and we'll i'm

436
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,279
sure we'll get into that when i

437
00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:26,880
recount the story but there was somebody

438
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with me at the time

439
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and i was hoping that you know there are

440
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,759
my god reddit is

441
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the most wonderful collective group of

442
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:34,880
detectives

443
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:37,199
the world has ever seen they can find

444
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,560
anything

445
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so i posted my story in the hopes that

446
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:41,920
somebody would help me

447
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:44,079
uh identify or track down the guy that

448
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:45,440
was with me

449
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:48,560
it did not happen but the comments that

450
00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:49,040
i got

451
00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,920
on the story told me about the show and

452
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:53,279
i was like yeah i've heard of the show

453
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:54,560
they're like well

454
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,639
at the end of each episode they throw up

455
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,639
a an email

456
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:00,480
asking for military guys to submit their

457
00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:02,720
stories and you should do that

458
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:04,959
and they said i should do that because

459
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:07,120
they do so much investigation

460
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:10,000
maybe they could actually help uncover

461
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,759
and track down some of the people

462
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,120
that that were with me on that

463
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:15,360
deployment so i did

464
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,920
and that was exactly the the idea that i

465
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,680
had when i contacted the show as i was

466
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,440
like hey i'm trying to

467
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:23,040
find out if i can track these people

468
00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:24,560
down or if you guys can track these

469
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,839
people down and even

470
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:27,440
even after the show contacted me back

471
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:29,759
and i was talking to anthony uh

472
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:32,240
lapp and and and the the other producers

473
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:33,040
and such

474
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:34,959
even when i was being interviewed by lou

475
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:36,800
i'd ask them hey can you help me find

476
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:37,759
these people

477
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,160
you know i want validation but but i

478
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,920
sent the email to uh

479
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,920
to the show and i didn't hear anything

480
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:45,199
it must have been

481
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:48,639
weeks if not a month or so had gone by

482
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:51,440
then out of the blue uh one of the uh

483
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:52,639
one of the producers

484
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,079
contacted me and the email was

485
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:59,120
kind of sketchy kind of standoffish

486
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,720
because you know they didn't know me but

487
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:02,399
they were just basically asking if

488
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:05,120
if i would want to give more information

489
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:06,000
or more detail

490
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:09,360
on my story and uh i was i was very

491
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:11,039
skeptical i was very hesitant because i

492
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:12,160
didn't really want to give more

493
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:13,760
information on my story i wanted them to

494
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:14,559
help me find

495
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:17,919
people to validate my story so through a

496
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,079
series of emails and conversations

497
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:22,160
and things like that i became a little

498
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:23,199
bit more

499
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:27,120
relaxed with them the people on the show

500
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:29,840
the production team on the show

501
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:33,200
they are extremely professional and

502
00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:35,840
not once during any of this did i ever

503
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,640
feel like

504
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,720
felt like i was being made fun of or

505
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:39,840
laughed at or

506
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:42,640
or anything these these guys were taking

507
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:43,440
this

508
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:46,559
seriously then moving through you know

509
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:48,960
they fly me to new york and i sit down

510
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:51,520
and i have conversations with uh with

511
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,320
lou

512
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:54,799
before and during taping and even after

513
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:55,840
taping and

514
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,000
and i met anthony and these guys and

515
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:01,760
man i tell you what i i didn't think

516
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:04,080
that anybody took this crap seriously

517
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:07,039
and it was such a refreshing thing

518
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,760
because

519
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,120
and i think one of the reasons that

520
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,880
people are starting to come out more

521
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:12,720
especially from the military

522
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:16,000
is there has been this stigma for so

523
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,039
long

524
00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:20,160
about this that you don't you know i

525
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,679
even said it on the show you don't want

526
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,000
to be the guy that sees the ufo

527
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,000
you don't want to have that label on you

528
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:28,640
right but the way that that lou and

529
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,320
anthony and the show is put this stuff

530
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,840
together now and i want to say the show

531
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,840
is not loot the show

532
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,240
is the history channel with a e networks

533
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,400
and it has creative licenses

534
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,960
lou is ttsa and it's two separate

535
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,480
entities you know lou doesn't do

536
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,840
creative on the show

537
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,600
the show doesn't tell you how to how to

538
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,039
do his job it's

539
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,760
it's like a a docu-series that kind of

540
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:50,880
follows

541
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,919
lou and his guys around but you know

542
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,600
i'm sitting there and talking to both

543
00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:57,360
sides of the house and

544
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,880
they were they were absolutely serious

545
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,400
and like i said i think this is a reason

546
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:02,000
that a lot of people are coming out is

547
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:02,960
because now

548
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:05,120
there are these creed credentialed

549
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,320
individuals

550
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,720
you know lou with his background and i

551
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,240
won't go into it because everybody knows

552
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,080
what his background is by now

553
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,640
and and anthony anthony was a war

554
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,919
correspondent and

555
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,480
a war journalist with serious

556
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,600
journalistic uh

557
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,520
credentials behind him and when these

558
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,200
guys are taking you seriously and it

559
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,559
comes across in the show in the

560
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,400
production value and everything and

561
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,960
and i think people see that this is not

562
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,000
a farce

563
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:33,360
this is this is not uh oh you know

564
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,400
some ancient tech decided how to liquefy

565
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,559
uh rock and that's why some ancient

566
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:40,320
temples have perfectly rounded corners

567
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:40,640
no

568
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,840
this is this is legitimate sticking to

569
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:44,960
the facts type of

570
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:48,000
type of reporting and it made me

571
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:51,039
talk about it and because i talked about

572
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:51,440
it

573
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:56,640
that you've had bottled up

574
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,080
for 24 25 years and to come out in such

575
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,600
such a grandiose platform

576
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,400
but having people like chris mellon and

577
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:08,799
steve justice and lou alizondo

578
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:12,159
not only listen to you and give you that

579
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,280
knob in the wink

580
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,080
that they get it but also to know the

581
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,919
background and the research and the

582
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,760
vetting that they put into you before

583
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,679
you can tell your story

584
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:24,000
you know that's that is also a series of

585
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,960
validations

586
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,120
that that i would never have gotten

587
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,520
anywhere else and it made me feel

588
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,600
that you know hey my brain did not short

589
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,720
circuit that day

590
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,960
you saw something you legitimately saw

591
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,799
something well i mean anthony was a

592
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,720
guest on the show a few weeks ago

593
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,720
and you're right i can vouch for

594
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:42,159
everything you're saying i've never met

595
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:44,000
him in person but the passion

596
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,919
the amount of seriousness he takes this

597
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,159
entire thing uh it's a match made in

598
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,520
heaven between he and

599
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,320
to the stars academy both want the best

600
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:53,679
thing for this topic

601
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,120
especially for our military who for 70

602
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,039
plus years in the ufo world

603
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,600
it was very rare for us to have this

604
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:02,400
opportunity

605
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:06,480
to i mean i'm a ufo researcher talking

606
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,360
to you

607
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,799
a military veteran who saw ufo this was

608
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,039
not always the case jeremy and i mean

609
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,080
it's changed the entire conversation

610
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:18,640
it is uh change the entire protocol

611
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,440
within the

612
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:22,159
military which we'll get to and i do

613
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,200
agree i think

614
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,760
both to the stars and this television

615
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:26,480
show

616
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,720
have completely changed the landscape of

617
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,200
taking this topic seriously we're not

618
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:35,600
talking about little green men and

619
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,799
metal flying saucers we're talking about

620
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,360
phenomena we cannot explain and it could

621
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,960
be a potential threat which is something

622
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,760
i want to

623
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,159
touch on too but um yeah man before we

624
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,679
get into all that

625
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,320
the headier questions let's do it point

626
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,559
by point if you're comfortable with that

627
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,440
um sharing with us walk us through your

628
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:56,960
event

629
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,360
maybe an approximate time and everything

630
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,640
where it happened and

631
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:03,600
yeah tell us what you saw what happened

632
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,080
yeah

633
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,720
so and before i get into it uh i want to

634
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:08,080
i want to let your viewers know or

635
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,280
listeners know that

636
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,559
there was there was a portion in the

637
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,960
show where lou comes on and lou said

638
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,600
that

639
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,159
he had to be very careful about

640
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,520
describing

641
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,080
some of the nuances and the details of

642
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,919
where i was and what i was doing when i

643
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,679
saw what i saw

644
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,480
lou does have to be careful lou has an

645
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:27,760
active security clearance

646
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,480
mine has lapsed i no longer have a

647
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,840
security clearance

648
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,720
and i am no longer or never was

649
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:36,640
representing the history channel or

650
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,760
a e or anybody like that so what i say

651
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:40,480
is

652
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,039
production uh houses and and i'm not

653
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,679
beholden to their attorneys either so

654
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,919
there are some things that i do have to

655
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,919
i gotta choose my words carefully yeah

656
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,520
yeah but i will go into a little bit

657
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:56,400
more detail

658
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,440
about uh who what where when and why

659
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:02,799
than than lou was able to expose on the

660
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,200
show

661
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,400
thank you for that yeah absolutely

662
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,159
they did a great job on on being able to

663
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:10,320
tell the story but there was a lot left

664
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,440
on the floor

665
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,320
on the cutting room floor but it's it

666
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,840
they did a fantastic job

667
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,760
being able to keep the continuity and

668
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,799
keep the understanding there

669
00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:23,120
so basically it this this happened in

670
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:25,720
the early 1990s uh

671
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:29,679
1995 to be exact uh and keep in mind

672
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:30,400
that uh

673
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:35,120
you know just just uh four years earlier

674
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,640
the soviet empire had collapsed and

675
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,960
this was you know precedent setting we

676
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,080
we had never seen

677
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:45,520
in in our lifetime such a

678
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,799
collapse of of society and we saw the

679
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,080
formation of nation

680
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:53,440
states we saw countries being born from

681
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,559
the rubble of of the soviet union and

682
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,360
these countries uh they didn't have a

683
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:00,720
political history they

684
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,559
they just became an entity

685
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:07,120
and a lot of these entities had uh

686
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,760
nuclear

687
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,400
weapons because the soviet union the

688
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,360
soviet empire

689
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:13,039
had placed nuclear weapons throughout

690
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,640
their entire territory

691
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:17,679
so when nation states like georgia or

692
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,159
whatever

693
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,640
would break off now they have a new

694
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,000
government a new parliament a new

695
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,919
military and oh my god they have nuclear

696
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:24,720
weapons

697
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,840
so that is kind of the backdrop for this

698
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:30,320
i was stationed at pope air force base

699
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,039
and

700
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,039
pope air force base no longer exists

701
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,360
it's now part of pope field

702
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:37,120
uh it's called pope field and it's part

703
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,480
of fort bragg

704
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,880
uh but back in the 90s pope air force

705
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,159
base was

706
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,159
kind of a an open secret with the air

707
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,000
force we were where most

708
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,240
of the deployments occurred i think out

709
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:50,000
of the the four or five years that i was

710
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,559
at pope

711
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,559
i was maybe only on base for six or

712
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,919
seven months of that time

713
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,240
and i was deployed for the vast majority

714
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,080
of it this is where i was

715
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,640
attached or assigned to a lot of

716
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,640
deployments with jsoc

717
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,520
we had delta force was at our back door

718
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,360
the green bray training center was

719
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:10,159
you know out of our side gate richard

720
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,279
marchenko

721
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,600
would would come and go quite often i

722
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,799
remember having a

723
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,520
a beer or two with him on occasion could

724
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,440
you share with us jeremy who that is for

725
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,480
some of our listeners

726
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,799
who might not know yeah so richard

727
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,159
marchenko basically

728
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:27,120
founded uh the navy seams especially

729
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,640
sealed team six he uh

730
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,400
he he was the guy who put it all

731
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,840
together so and

732
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,240
he he's written several books i don't

733
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,640
remember the names of his books but uh

734
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,400
but your your listeners can certainly go

735
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,720
out and and look him up but he's

736
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,039
he's the real deal but anyway we were

737
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,400
always accustomed to getting

738
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,799
uh strange deployments and and no notice

739
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,320
uh uh

740
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,120
signals to to get our our go bags and

741
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,039
get on an airplane but

742
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,520
usually they were just for training but

743
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:56,960
but this one was this one was

744
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,679
interesting

745
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,840
there was myself and nine other people

746
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,520
that they got told

747
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,480
to pack a bag and and get on a plane and

748
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,400
we had no idea where we were going

749
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,960
we initially flew to dover air force

750
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,480
base in delaware

751
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,880
and transferred aircraft and then we

752
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,320
hopped on a uh

753
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,760
and honestly i don't remember if it was

754
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,080
a 141 or a c5 at the time

755
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:20,080
i want to say it was a 141 but i

756
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,279
honestly don't remember

757
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,640
and they still didn't tell us where

758
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:24,400
we're going until we were

759
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,000
well airborne and past the point of no

760
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,600
return on our trip

761
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,960
and they told us that we were heading to

762
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,279
jordan and i was like

763
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,600
you know what the hell's in jordan

764
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,279
because you know at this time i'd been

765
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,400
in the military for

766
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,840
a few years and you know i'd already

767
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,840
served a significant amount of time in

768
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,120
the middle east and

769
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,960
i'd uh you know had done the desert

770
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,240
storm thing and

771
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:48,000
nothing had ever happened in jordan you

772
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,360
know we were familiar with

773
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,600
with syria we were familiar with the

774
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,480
taif and

775
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,880
and alcars and dahran and saudi arabia

776
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,720
and you know all these little cities or

777
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,960
areas or territories or aos but

778
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,200
nothing that ever happened in jordan so

779
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:02,720
we're really curious about what's going

780
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,279
on

781
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,360
and uh when we when we got in country

782
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,720
and we landed

783
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,320
the first thing that i noticed is that

784
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,960
we were on a jordanian air base that

785
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,360
looked like it had been demolished i

786
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,400
mean it just

787
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
it was in the worst state of repair of

788
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:18,080
any place i've ever seen

789
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,840
i was kind of surprised that the uh the

790
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,679
aircraft that we were on was able to

791
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,559
to actually land there and it was just

792
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,840
it was just bad

793
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,000
and we stayed off base uh we stayed in

794
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,919
base housing uh not like in barracks or

795
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,200
anything but like

796
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,679
what used to have been jordanian officer

797
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,840
housing is where we were staying

798
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,640
and uh for quite some time and by quite

799
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:40,000
some time i mean a couple days

800
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,039
we still didn't know what we were going

801
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,919
to be doing we just kind of sat around

802
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,000
and our team was together and we didn't

803
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:47,440
have any marching orders we didn't have

804
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,840
any instructions on what we were doing

805
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,760
and then all of a sudden we all got

806
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,039
split up

807
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,880
which is not something that's normal

808
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,480
normally when you deploy with the team

809
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,840
you stay with the team you work with the

810
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,279
team because you know your team members

811
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,320
you trust them to have

812
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,399
your back and you've got theirs it's

813
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,480
very rare that you get deployed and then

814
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,200
moved off into a another team with

815
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,480
working with people that you don't know

816
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,360
that's exactly what happened and i got

817
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,279
pulled away and i got sent on uh

818
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,840
graveyard shift which was fine by me

819
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:16,399
because

820
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,080
in the desert you know it's it's 120 125

821
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,440
degrees during the day and

822
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,240
you're dying so of course i live in

823
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,640
vegas now so i didn't learn my lesson

824
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,399
but uh i was fine working night shift

825
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,399
because it's a lot cooler

826
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,440
and uh i get uh i get to my post and uh

827
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,360
i don't remember if it was a captain or

828
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,279
a lieutenant but he basically said

829
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,840
all right here's here's your post what

830
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,640
am i doing

831
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,760
he's like well you're guarding this

832
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,240
crate okay what's in the crate don't ask

833
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,279
that question

834
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,720
all right what do you mean by guard the

835
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,960
crate where are my sops where's my rules

836
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,760
of engagement

837
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,200
he was like just don't let anybody near

838
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,520
it can you define near it

839
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,559
no just don't let anybody near the crate

840
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,720
okay is anybody authorized near the

841
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:59,600
crate no

842
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,720
don't let anybody near the crate what

843
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,480
happens if somebody gets near the crate

844
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,480
shoot them and you know just i mean that

845
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,399
was that was the response just

846
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,320
don't let them get near the crate oh and

847
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,159
don't get near the crate

848
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:14,240
i was like okay so don't get near the

849
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,520
crate don't let anybody get

850
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,120
uh don't let anybody else get near the

851
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,600
crate i got it i'm tracking

852
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,120
so that's what i did for like three

853
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,799
nights is just

854
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,960
walk around this giant crate in the

855
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,080
middle of the desert

856
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,240
and not let anybody near it which was

857
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,799
easy because there wasn't anybody there

858
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,880
it was just this big ass crate in the

859
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,720
middle of the desert and by

860
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:37,279
large crate i mean this was a giant

861
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,399
wooden crate

862
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,440
that you could have put a small car

863
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,080
inside of oh wow and sealed it up so you

864
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,679
know it was it was

865
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:48,000
almost as tall as i was if not as tall

866
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:48,960
as i am

867
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:52,559
um and you know probably

868
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,360
15 feet long maybe eight nine feet wide

869
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,919
and solid wood looks like something uh

870
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,960
you would see on

871
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,720
an old cartoon or something just it's

872
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:05,520
just weird right no markings no insignia

873
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:05,840
no

874
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,480
on the crate it was just a giant wooden

875
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,000
crate that i wasn't supposed to

876
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,880
let anybody near and of course at this

877
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,600
time

878
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,760
you know i'm i'm not a staff sergeant

879
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:22,480
i'm still lower ranking i think i was a

880
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:25,840
senior airman e3 at the time i was

881
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,039
in my early 20s and of course my sense

882
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,360
of responsibility wasn't quite evolved

883
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640
at the time

884
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,559
and there was nobody watching me there

885
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,080
was nobody around there was nobody

886
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,679
monitoring me there was another guy that

887
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,840
was there but he wasn't really there he

888
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,320
was kind of doing his own thing

889
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:45,039
at the same time too right but back then

890
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:45,840
i smoked

891
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,279
probably a pack and a half maybe a two

892
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,960
pack a day smoker

893
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,600
but you can't smoke when you're on post

894
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,880
because you know you're in the middle of

895
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:57,039
the desert it's dark it's nighttime

896
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,320
you light up a cigarette you're giving

897
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,919
away your position if there is somebody

898
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,279
out there watching you with night vision

899
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,360
goggles you just lit up a neon billboard

900
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,960
uh even even the cherry on the end of

901
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,960
your cigarette will illuminate your

902
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,000
entire body

903
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,640
on night vision goggles so i just

904
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,159
decided that i was going to start

905
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,799
walking away from the post to go have a

906
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,559
cigarette you know on or around some

907
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,240
sand dunes that were nearby

908
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:20,000
but i walked maybe maybe about a hundred

909
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,519
meters out

910
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,279
and uh crawled up on a sand dune where i

911
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,880
can still kind of look down and

912
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,880
and see the uh see what i was supposed

913
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:28,320
to be guarding but there was literally

914
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,720
nobody in in the ao to guard it from

915
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,799
so i did this for you know the first

916
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,840
night or so

917
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,080
and then the third night uh the guy that

918
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,679
was uh was stationed out there

919
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,200
posted out there with me he decided to

920
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:42,720
come out and have a cigarette

921
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,840
at the same time i did and this this was

922
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,080
the night that uh that i saw what i saw

923
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,799
and it was it was obviously pitch black

924
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,240
it's in the middle

925
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,760
middle of the desert there is zero

926
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,679
civilization around there's no ambient

927
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,880
light there's no street lights

928
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:59,039
there's no streets there's just sand

929
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,320
dirt

930
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,440
and uh in the box and i don't know if

931
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,480
anybody's

932
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,720
listening has has been out into the

933
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,960
middle of literally nowhere

934
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,279
especially in the desert but it's dry

935
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:12,720
very few clouds if

936
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:16,080
any clouds and you can see so many stars

937
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,720
man

938
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,039
i mean so i'm laying on this sand dune

939
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,399
and i'm looking

940
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,480
just imagine me laying flat on my back

941
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:23,919
looking up at the night sky

942
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,799
and just seeing the most beautiful

943
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,640
spectacle of our cosmos that you could

944
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,559
possibly imagine

945
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,760
and uh i just i don't know why i did it

946
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,880
i just decided hey

947
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,320
i'm gonna look at see what this looks

948
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,080
like with the night vision goggles

949
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,600
so i reached down and got the the night

950
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,960
vision goggles out of the pack and i

951
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,720
strapped him onto my head

952
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,399
got him focused in and i'm just laying

953
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,279
back there and i am absolutely in

954
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,039
awe because if you've ever looked

955
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,360
through night vision goggles man it is

956
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,120
not what you're seeing in the movies of

957
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:55,200
course this was also back in the 1990s

958
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,159
so the tech

959
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:58,320
wasn't as good as what we have now but

960
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,279
it was still

961
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,720
pretty damn spectacular so for every

962
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,159
star that i could see

963
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,640
with my naked eye i could see a thousand

964
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,519
more

965
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,120
with the night vision goggle and it's

966
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:11,039
like the universe just

967
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,360
said hi i'm here stare at me

968
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,720
and i could see satellites i could see

969
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:21,600
satellites orbiting i could see things

970
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:22,159
in

971
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,600
it was easy to identify satellites i

972
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,200
could see shooting stars that you would

973
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,880
not be able to see

974
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,360
uh because they would be so dim without

975
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,720
the night vision goggles

976
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,200
but with them i could see you know blaze

977
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:39,200
outs of tiny little meteorites that were

978
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,640
coming in and bouncing off the upper

979
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:42,000
atmosphere i could see absolutely

980
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:43,039
everything

981
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,919
and then i saw what i saw and it freaked

982
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,960
me out

983
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,480
again i'm lying on my back and i'm

984
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,159
looking straight up

985
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:53,039
so the easiest way for me to describe it

986
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,760
is

987
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,039
i saw a pinpoint of light that

988
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,159
came from my six o'clock position and it

989
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,960
shot up to my top dead center my 12

990
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,799
o'clock position is i'm looking straight

991
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:05,360
up

992
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,879
and it made a 90 degree left hand turn

993
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,000
and shot off to my left horizon

994
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,720
without slowing down or without even

995
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:16,720
thinking about slowing down

996
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,000
this thing went from horizon to horizon

997
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,599
in under two seconds and it

998
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,639
it weirded me out and uh at first i

999
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,359
thought

1000
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,720
that the night vision goggles were

1001
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:31,359
malfunctioning so i took them off and

1002
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,320
you know i kind of

1003
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,879
tap them with thy sand man sand in the

1004
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,480
jordanian desert gets

1005
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,560
everywhere it's it's not even what i

1006
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:40,320
would call sand it's like

1007
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,079
evil dust i mean you you chew it you

1008
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:46,320
breathe it it forms on your eyelashes

1009
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,720
it's

1010
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,720
it just gets everywhere so i was just

1011
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,839
assuming

1012
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,240
that there was uh there was dust or

1013
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,639
something inside the imaging tube

1014
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,320
of the the night vision goggles i took

1015
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:58,320
it apart and blew on it and kind of

1016
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,960
shook it out

1017
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,640
and screwed it back together and put it

1018
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,240
back on and

1019
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,760
look back up and saw it again same exact

1020
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,839
pattern it's like it just

1021
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,160
just shot from my six o'clock top dead

1022
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,920
center makes a 90 degree turn and shoots

1023
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,040
off to my left

1024
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,000
and it starts doing it over and over and

1025
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,400
over again and i'm watching this thing

1026
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:21,359
every few seconds it's just 90 degree

1027
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,320
turn

1028
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,640
off to the left like i said the the the

1029
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,359
other guy

1030
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,040
was out there and this is the guy that i

1031
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,800
went on reddit to try to find

1032
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,119
try to identify this guy and i have no

1033
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,800
idea who it was because like i said my

1034
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,400
team got split up so this is a guy that

1035
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:36,079
i didn't know i had just been posted

1036
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,119
with him right

1037
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:39,119
so i took off the night vision goggles

1038
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,160
we call them nods

1039
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,560
i took off the nods and i handed it to

1040
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:44,320
this guy and he's like what i was like

1041
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,119
just look

1042
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,800
he's like what am i looking for i'm like

1043
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,800
just look so he's laying down he takes a

1044
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,160
cigarette he sticks it in the sand and

1045
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,599
he puts the night vision goggles on and

1046
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,440
he's laying back and he's looking up and

1047
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,480
he's not saying anything and

1048
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,320
a few seconds go by and the next thing i

1049
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,240
know i saw his head track

1050
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,880
like i saw his head drop down and swing

1051
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,560
to the left and i'm like yep

1052
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,599
he saw and he takes the nods off

1053
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,599
and he just hands him back to me he

1054
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,280
pulls out another cigarette he lights it

1055
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,640
and he walks off

1056
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,480
that was it he didn't say anything he

1057
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,880
didn't acknowledge it he didn't say

1058
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,880
yeah i saw what you're what you saw or

1059
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,560
what the hell was that he just lights a

1060
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,320
cigarette and walks off

1061
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:25,520
we never spoke about it again and it

1062
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,119
just burned itself into my brain man

1063
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:31,359
so it anybody who's listening that's

1064
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,480
ever wore nods

1065
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,400
you know you have no depth perception

1066
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,800
it's why i broke my back

1067
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:39,280
um so it's very hard to judge altitude

1068
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:40,160
but

1069
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,800
there are ways of estimating altitude

1070
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,280
and my best guess without getting into

1071
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,560
all the math and

1072
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,560
the size of my finger at an arm's length

1073
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,000
and things like that

1074
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,839
my best guess was that it was

1075
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,720
well over thirty thousand feet and

1076
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,760
probably

1077
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,400
much closer to the hundred and ten

1078
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:04,160
hundred and twenty thousand foot range

1079
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,880
which is

1080
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,400
you know skirting the edge of our

1081
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:08,800
atmosphere that's where i believe

1082
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,400
this to have been now this was not an

1083
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:15,760
airplane this was not a satellite

1084
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,880
because we were where we were this was

1085
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:21,680
restricted flight areas and like i said

1086
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,079
earlier

1087
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,480
i i could see satellites satellites

1088
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,920
don't move like that

1089
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,000
the amount of thrust that it would take

1090
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,160
to make a satellite do a 90 degree turn

1091
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:31,760
at that speed

1092
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,160
is insane and when things turn

1093
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,160
any conventional aircraft any

1094
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,560
conventional spacecraft when they turn

1095
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:43,280
they have an arc they have a slow arc

1096
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,079
it's like

1097
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,359
you you can't make a 90 degree turn

1098
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,960
without either losing speed or having a

1099
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,800
radius to your turn

1100
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,119
and this never lost speed nor did it

1101
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:56,880
have a radius to its turn

1102
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:00,320
and it repeated this pattern multiple

1103
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,280
times

1104
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:04,240
jeremy can i ask um just a few technical

1105
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,880
questions

1106
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:07,760
uh you know um estimating that altitude

1107
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,160
yeah

1108
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,079
of course you're right that's pretty

1109
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,320
pretty high in elevation um

1110
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,440
so maybe some of these answers are can't

1111
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,359
really be deduced but um

1112
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,480
did you hear any sort of propulsion see

1113
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:22,400
any sort of exhaust again i know it was

1114
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,200
nighttime

1115
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,280
you had night vision goggles on and last

1116
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,880
question about how long

1117
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,760
did the event last you think from like

1118
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,880
first seeing it

1119
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:33,119
to when you two were like i'm done with

1120
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,160
this

1121
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,480
yeah so uh last question first uh the

1122
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,760
entire thing

1123
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,680
my experience lasted approximately seven

1124
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,400
to eight minutes and and i saw it repeat

1125
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,400
multiple times inside that seven to

1126
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,000
eight minutes and the guy that i showed

1127
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,920
it to or the guy that saw it for himself

1128
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,119
in the nightmare

1129
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,680
he saw it at least once because i saw

1130
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:52,720
his head track

1131
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,079
in but about seven to eight minutes

1132
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,880
sound wise nothing there was there was

1133
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:59,680
nothing

1134
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,800
and even even let's say that

1135
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,800
there was a conventional aircraft at the

1136
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,000
same altitude

1137
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,760
it was so far away i probably wouldn't

1138
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,040
have heard anything right

1139
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,280
right but when you're looking through

1140
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,720
night vision goggles it is an

1141
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:15,359
amplification of light it is not

1142
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:16,400
recording or

1143
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,839
transmitting signals for heat uh

1144
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:22,320
or uh infrared or anything like that

1145
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,119
it's literally

1146
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,320
just light amplification so there was no

1147
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,000
way to tell if this object was hot

1148
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,160
or cold or if it was emanating a trail

1149
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:32,960
of of hot gases or anything like that

1150
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,160
i saw only what i saw

1151
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:39,520
but what i saw is not something

1152
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:42,720
that i am familiar with in being able to

1153
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,000
do what it did and skipping ahead just a

1154
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,520
little bit when i was being interviewed

1155
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,640
by lou

1156
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,920
and this is something that didn't

1157
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,839
actually get into the show but lou

1158
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,680
asked me the question and i had never

1159
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,280
even considered this

1160
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,839
i hadn't considered it at all until he

1161
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,960
asked me

1162
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,800
he said jeremy do you do you think that

1163
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,240
this was one

1164
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,720
object repeating the same pattern or do

1165
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,319
you think this was

1166
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:09,680
multiple objects following the same

1167
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:10,079
flight

1168
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,079
path and when he said it man the hair on

1169
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,319
the back of my neck stood up and it just

1170
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,160
creeped me out because up until that

1171
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,119
point i had never even considered

1172
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,280
the possibility that this was more than

1173
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:24,480
one and

1174
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,240
if it was what lou is is hinting at

1175
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,000
man this was 20 or 30 of these damn

1176
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,069
what is it that makes us so interested

1177
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,079
in what we don't understand

1178
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,599
we're setting out to investigate

1179
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:41,920
everything strange unusual and scary

1180
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,800
in our world they're going to be able to

1181
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,319
scan your brain

1182
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,800
and upload it to a computer some people

1183
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,240
think of it as like the greatest victory

1184
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,599
that we could ever have because it makes

1185
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,119
you immortal in a sense

1186
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,280
i think it's terrifying it is terrifying

1187
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,960
we invite guests who bring their own

1188
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,319
personal perspectives

1189
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,920
i mean especially considering the fact

1190
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,400
that the overwhelming majority of ufo

1191
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:04,240
sightings and documentation occurs

1192
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,720
within

1193
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,839
miles of nuclear testing facilities yeah

1194
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,599
they bring their own encounters with the

1195
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:11,520
paranormal all of a sudden

1196
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,880
i feel this whoosh of wind

1197
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,520
and this ringing in my ear so loud that

1198
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,880
makes me stand up straight

1199
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,280
and we both had this moment of you know

1200
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,720
maybe we should get out of here

1201
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,760
it was a hot summer day and a hot night

1202
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,640
but when i went

1203
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,079
into this one room it was freezing

1204
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,160
and i to this day it felt like somebody

1205
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,520
was gonna push me

1206
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,920
down the stairs a few months into living

1207
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,599
at the new house i was woken up to the

1208
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,920
lamps being on and the snow globe music

1209
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,079
box going off hello

1210
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:44,400
and most of all we just have a ton of

1211
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,200
fun

1212
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,040
jacques would never eat not a single

1213
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,160
bite just sip from his glass of water he

1214
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,520
was a vampire he's a vampire 100

1215
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,560
vampire holy bucket my name is ashley

1216
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,160
and this is my co-host lauren

1217
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:00,800
hello weirdos and you are listening to

1218
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:11,109
[Music]

1219
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,990
wow so a fleet of them potentially

1220
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,960
potentially

1221
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,760
right right so and and i don't know i

1222
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:19,920
don't know man it just

1223
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,359
i never got my pilot's license but i was

1224
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,040
i was going through flight school

1225
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,760
uh on the civilian side okay and i've

1226
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,400
flown

1227
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,079
tiny little single engine aircraft and

1228
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,680
i've got probably maybe

1229
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,280
a hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty

1230
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,119
hours as pilot in command

1231
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:38,160
of small single engine aircraft and i i

1232
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,119
studied uh

1233
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,760
aviation administration in college and

1234
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:43,760
aerodynamics and things like that and

1235
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,240
this

1236
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:47,920
did not do what conventional

1237
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,240
wisdom dictates that something

1238
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,599
that moves does it just

1239
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,119
it just didn't work right well the

1240
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,599
the ufo itself jeremy is super

1241
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,640
intriguing but

1242
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,920
um it seems like all roads lead back to

1243
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,720
the crate

1244
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,119
so i want to dive into the more

1245
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,040
sensitive part of all this with you

1246
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,400
if we can um first of all did you

1247
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,680
report this to anyone or was it kind of

1248
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,480
you know kind of such a odd experience

1249
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:22,079
it was like huh all right that was

1250
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,960
interesting

1251
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:25,680
um but you didn't see any potential

1252
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,160
threat

1253
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:29,119
at the time um yeah any reporting

1254
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,839
protocol or

1255
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:33,040
anything like that no i i there is no

1256
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,839
way in hell

1257
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,119
that i would have said anything to

1258
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,359
anybody except the guy that that saw it

1259
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,800
right and he didn't say anything else

1260
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,400
about it for

1261
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,280
for two reasons one it's the 1990s and i

1262
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,400
saw a ufo

1263
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,520
right right what the hell right i mean

1264
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,800
we don't have at least my unit

1265
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,560
didn't have written operational

1266
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,000
procedures on how to go

1267
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,319
about reporting that second thing is i

1268
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,200
had walked away from my assigned post

1269
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,319
you know i'm smoking a cigarette on

1270
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,280
duty when i was told to guard this

1271
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,800
really super sensitive crate

1272
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,160
and i just kind of said screw it i'm

1273
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,839
going to go have a cigarette so no i'm

1274
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,040
not going to walk up

1275
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:14,319
to my co or or to whatever the the the

1276
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,280
guy in charge of

1277
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,880
the major the captain or whoever he was

1278
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,079
and goes hey you know when i was

1279
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,079
abandoning in derelict of duty

1280
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,839
and smoking a cigarette i saw something

1281
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,359
that i want to report so

1282
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,960
the thought of reporting it was not

1283
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,040
something that i was going to do

1284
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
before we get to the great jeremy i

1285
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,119
remember in the interview with lou

1286
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,079
on the episode you mentioned there were

1287
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,680
all types of military

1288
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:38,240
at the base at the time and officials

1289
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,040
and

1290
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,640
agencies um is this common

1291
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:45,680
or uh what did you make of all that i

1292
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,160
mean

1293
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,040
again i assume all roads lead back to

1294
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,440
the crate but yeah what do you make of

1295
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,920
everyone that was on this base that a

1296
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,000
lot of people didn't even know about

1297
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,200
yeah so there are joint training

1298
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,200
exercises that the military does we do

1299
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,560
them with foreign

1300
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,119
uh nations we do them internally you

1301
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,800
know the the army in the air force and

1302
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:08,319
the marine corps we all to get together

1303
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,200
and we do

1304
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:12,160
uh joint training exercises uh quite

1305
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,119
often

1306
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,920
what is different is that when we do

1307
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,920
those joint training exercises we use

1308
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,680
something called miles gear

1309
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,599
which is basically the military version

1310
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,119
of laser tag

1311
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,160
and we use blanks in our weapons and

1312
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,240
you know we we have special keywords

1313
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,760
that we're using on the radio and we

1314
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,480
have

1315
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:33,119
white hat safety guys walking around the

1316
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,640
ranges making sure that nobody's

1317
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,079
violating the rules of the

1318
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,200
exercise and everybody

1319
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,640
knows that it is an exercise

1320
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,359
this was not that i had live ammunition

1321
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:48,560
i had 240 rounds of 5.56 i had 18 rounds

1322
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,800
of

1323
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,720
high explosive grenades strapped to my

1324
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:53,040
vest uh because it was a two i was a 203

1325
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,000
gunner

1326
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,079
this this was this was not an exercise

1327
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,680
and the guy the

1328
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,440
the people that were there the units

1329
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,960
that were there man i saw

1330
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,200
i saw people from 75th ranger battalion

1331
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,520
i saw people from navy special warfare i

1332
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,560
saw people

1333
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:09,599
uh from the 101st i

1334
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,839
i saw guys that had mismatched uniforms

1335
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,200
and no name tapes on

1336
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:17,119
i saw people wearing the blue

1337
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,319
windbreakers that said

1338
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:21,760
fbi or cia on the back of it but what

1339
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,040
really really struck me the most

1340
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,560
and because at some point in time in my

1341
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:28,240
military career we've worked with all of

1342
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,119
those types

1343
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,440
never they all all at the same time but

1344
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,200
we've we've done work with them

1345
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:36,079
in the past but what struck me more than

1346
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:36,720
anything

1347
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,920
is i saw people from

1348
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,200
the doe the department of energy and

1349
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,440
the department of energy when you take

1350
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,800
the department of energy and you put

1351
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,319
them with naval special warfares the

1352
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,160
75th ranger battalion

1353
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:53,520
uh the cia and the fbi you're looking

1354
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,680
at an event that is not an exercise this

1355
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,520
is this is a real world deployment and

1356
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:00,800
this is something

1357
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:04,800
that is straight up a nuclear

1358
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:08,000
type of event um you don't put that type

1359
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:08,720
of time

1360
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,599
manpower resources and personnel into

1361
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,640
something for

1362
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,640
for training at that level and you you

1363
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,839
certainly don't do it with live

1364
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,800
ammunition

1365
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,760
okay so this this was everybody that was

1366
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:20,720
there

1367
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,960
is involved in nuclear safety operations

1368
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:27,200
so that leads to the obvious question

1369
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:28,480
now uh

1370
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:31,760
the crate i mean i know you said you've

1371
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:34,720
since spoken to individuals who can kind

1372
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,520
of

1373
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:38,880
have been in there

1374
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,640
or why or who or so i'd love to get into

1375
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,480
that jeremy whatever you can share your

1376
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,000
own personal opinions

1377
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,040
or that which was told to you what are

1378
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,559
we talking about what do you think was

1379
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,520
in that crate and

1380
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,839
was it at all connected with the ufo

1381
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,880
activity

1382
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,040
yeah so uh last question first i

1383
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,040
absolutely positively believe that yes

1384
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,119
it has a direct correlation with

1385
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,160
what i saw in this guy at the time again

1386
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:06,880
this is early 90s i'm in my early 20s

1387
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,000
and nobody's telling me anything but

1388
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,440
through observation through looking

1389
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,040
around through seeing all these people

1390
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,400
in the department of energy

1391
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,000
you know you you kind of put things

1392
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,440
together uh

1393
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,079
just based on personal observation given

1394
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,839
the fact that the soviet empire

1395
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,760
had collapsed and given the fact that at

1396
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,960
the time

1397
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,599
it was a known issue to have lost or

1398
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,400
stolen

1399
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,520
nuclear devices from the soviet union

1400
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,200
and we'd had security briefings and

1401
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,880
safety briefings on things like that

1402
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,800
and that was something that people were

1403
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,720
looking for actively

1404
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,640
was trying to account for for nuclear

1405
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:42,880
weapons from the soviet union

1406
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,000
but i was under the impression

1407
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,359
that what was in the crate was ours

1408
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,920
and that it was probably something that

1409
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,800
would emit a

1410
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,359
radio active signature that our

1411
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,280
satellites or our sensor tech

1412
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,119
on our aircraft would be able to

1413
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:00,640
identify

1414
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,839
in in an effort to kind of train

1415
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,040
our guys on how to look for lost or

1416
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,960
stolen nuclear devices you know

1417
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,400
because if you're doing like an aerial

1418
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,160
survey you're putting giant x's on the

1419
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:14,319
ground to zoom the cameras in and get

1420
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,960
the focus

1421
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,960
and things like that so i just kind of

1422
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,240
assumed that

1423
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,480
maybe what was in this crate was

1424
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:21,920
something that would

1425
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,559
trigger the sensors on the aircraft that

1426
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:26,319
were looking for this right

1427
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:29,760
and i just left it at that for years

1428
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,440
but it still it still bugged me because

1429
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:36,559
the ops tempo was not that of an

1430
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,440
exercise

1431
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:40,640
it was that of an actual real world

1432
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,720
event and it bugged me and it and i just

1433
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,480
started thinking over and over over the

1434
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,400
course of 20 some years

1435
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,800
that the idea that this was just some

1436
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:51,920
sort of

1437
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:54,559
signature device inside this crate

1438
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,119
didn't

1439
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,640
work out for me so i just i just started

1440
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,559
basically putting boots on the ground

1441
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,079
and i started digging

1442
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,319
things up and and calling people and

1443
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,839
talking to people

1444
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,400
and uh one of the things that did not

1445
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,920
make it into the show

1446
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,319
is the story that i gave them which is

1447
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,760
verifiable and i'll

1448
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,319
i'll give you the link to this that you

1449
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,440
can probably post on

1450
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,079
on your site yeah absolutely but there

1451
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:21,359
is a document

1452
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,760
from the cia and it's hosted on cia.gov

1453
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,839
and i've got it up here on my screen but

1454
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,440
it's testimony

1455
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,440
by the director of central intelligence

1456
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:32,880
john deutsch

1457
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:37,200
and it's from march 20th 1996

1458
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,559
less than a year after my experience in

1459
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:41,760
jordan

1460
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,040
and this is a direct quote from

1461
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,400
from john deutch during his

1462
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:48,240
congressional testimony now keep in mind

1463
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,359
this is a

1464
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:52,800
year after after my experience and he

1465
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:53,520
says

1466
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,319
we have no indication that iraq has

1467
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:58,720
attempted to acquire fissile materials

1468
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:59,599
from the formal

1469
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,280
former soviet union we assess however

1470
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,079
that iraq would seize any opportunity to

1471
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:08,160
buy nuclear weapon materials

1472
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:11,440
or a complete weapon in much the same

1473
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,839
way

1474
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:14,000
that it attempted to rejuvenate its

1475
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,040
missile program

1476
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,319
late last year in that incident

1477
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:21,200
jordanian authorities intercepted a

1478
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,000
shipment

1479
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:24,640
of sophisticated russian-produced

1480
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,119
missile

1481
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,480
guidance instruments bound for iraq

1482
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,680
a year after my incident he is referring

1483
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,559
to an event that happened in jordan

1484
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,309
saying that it was sophisticated russian

1485
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,880
produced missile guidance instruments

1486
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,920
okay

1487
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,040
sure maybe but

1488
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:49,760
when i saw that and i read that and this

1489
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,480
is this is

1490
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,079
multiple pages of information i mean

1491
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,680
this is a congressional testimony that

1492
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,800
just goes

1493
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:57,040
absolutely bonkers i mean he's talking

1494
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,920
even about

1495
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,319
uh the ability to to bribe certain

1496
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:02,240
russian guards with bottles of vodka to

1497
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,720
allow

1498
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,119
passage without papers to smuggle

1499
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,640
nuclear material across

1500
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,119
you know uh west eastern europe it's a

1501
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,200
wide swath if you will yeah

1502
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,400
yeah exactly anyway i uh i

1503
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,599
really went down the rabbit hole and i i

1504
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:19,040
started turning over everything and i

1505
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,000
started digging

1506
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:22,160
where where anywhere i could dig and

1507
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,359
keep in mind that this is all

1508
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,200
open source none of this was classified

1509
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,559
this was just

1510
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,079
picking up the phone and calling people

1511
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,520
and talking to people and saying hey i

1512
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,800
know that you were in the military at

1513
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:32,160
this time did you happen to have

1514
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,680
anything to do with this exercise were

1515
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:34,720
you there

1516
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,079
and finally i i landed on one guy

1517
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,079
who was actually interviewed by the

1518
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,680
history channel

1519
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,400
they did not air his testimony but they

1520
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,240
used him as validation

1521
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,240
for my story and like i said it didn't

1522
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,680
it didn't make the show but

1523
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:52,240
uh it happened they they interviewed him

1524
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,800
and he

1525
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,839
he basically told him them that while he

1526
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,480
could not

1527
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,440
absolutely confirm uh the contents of

1528
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,480
the crate

1529
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,520
that my developed theory of

1530
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:06,000
what actually was in the crate was most

1531
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,040
likely accurate

1532
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,520
i think as this told them but to

1533
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,520
backtrack a little bit

1534
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,359
and and not to take up a lot of time i

1535
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,640
believe

1536
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,599
now that what was in the crate was not

1537
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,480
just

1538
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,440
sophisticated russian russian guidance

1539
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:22,559
material it was

1540
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,920
actually a recovered nuclear warhead

1541
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,000
that had been intercepted and was

1542
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,079
probably bound for either iraq

1543
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,280
or north korea and that

1544
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,359
most likely jordanian authorities had

1545
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,880
intercepted it and then

1546
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,839
we got it from jordan and that's what

1547
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,280
was in the crate

1548
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,440
uh and i'll even go so far as to say

1549
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,599
that i believe it was probably

1550
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,440
and there are reasons that i'm saying

1551
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,599
this i'm not going to go into

1552
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,640
how i got to this conclusion uh

1553
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,640
anybody that's listening to this can do

1554
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,720
their own research and probably dig up

1555
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,240
the same information i'm just not going

1556
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,160
to say how i did it

1557
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:02,319
but i i honestly believe that what was

1558
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:03,760
in that crate

1559
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:07,440
was what's called an ss24 and it is

1560
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:11,280
a basically a nose cone of a russian

1561
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:15,760
nuclear icbm that carries 10 warheads

1562
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,359
and i believe that 8 of the 10 warheads

1563
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:22,000
were still on that device inside that

1564
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,040
crate

1565
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,520
that that just gave me chills man even

1566
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,119
thinking about that that is

1567
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:29,839
a massive force of power right there

1568
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:30,240
yeah

1569
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,720
i will say one of the reasons because

1570
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,000
this is something that nobody else can

1571
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,200
do because it's no longer there it's

1572
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,119
it's gone and done with

1573
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,359
but going back to saying you know when i

1574
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,200
was in my early 20s and people tell you

1575
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,720
to do something you kind of tell them to

1576
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,520
screw off and

1577
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,599
i have no supervision and don't get near

1578
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,280
the crate okay well what do i do i get

1579
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,880
near the great hell i stood on the crate

1580
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,480
i laid on the crate i sat on the grid i

1581
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:54,319
pissed on the crate

1582
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,680
because there's nobody there right and

1583
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:00,720
about nine years ago i got diagnosed

1584
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,079
with a very specific type of skin cancer

1585
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,880
which is caused only by radiation

1586
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,839
exposure

1587
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,400
now luckily i've had it uh excised it

1588
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,559
was uh surgically removed and it has not

1589
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,079
reoccurred

1590
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:17,280
but it was in my groin and

1591
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:20,799
i am not a nude sunbather other than

1592
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,400
sitting on that crate and pissing on

1593
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,079
that crate

1594
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:29,040
i have no reason to think that i was

1595
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,359
ever

1596
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,480
exposed to radiation anywhere else in my

1597
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:35,119
military career uh or civilian

1598
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,319
life and going back through the way that

1599
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,680
i think of things the way that i put

1600
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:40,880
things together

1601
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,799
if i'm secreting uh fissile material if

1602
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:45,599
i'm secreting

1603
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:49,200
stolen warheads or bought wall warheads

1604
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,799
across eastern europe

1605
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,079
these things are heavy man i mean

1606
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,599
they've got lead shielding they've got

1607
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:54,880
lead plating they're you know they're

1608
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:55,280
they're

1609
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:01,760
radiation dampening uh provisions to

1610
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,319
them

1611
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,760
but if i'm gonna put that in the back of

1612
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,319
my truck i'm gonna get rid of all that

1613
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:08,480
i'm gonna make it as light as i possibly

1614
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,680
can

1615
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,359
because the guy that's paying me for it

1616
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
they they want the radioactive

1617
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:15,119
portions they don't care about the

1618
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:16,240
shielding because they're going to

1619
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,280
either use it or they're going to

1620
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,799
reverse engineer it

1621
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,640
and i'm going to put it in the back of a

1622
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,160
truck and i'm going to make it as light

1623
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,839
as i can because i want to extend my

1624
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,359
fuel supply for as long as i can

1625
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,440
possibly drive that thing

1626
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,040
so i really think that that crate was

1627
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:30,640
hot and that just

1628
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:33,920
amplifies the fact that a ufo was

1629
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,280
possibly cited during that and uh

1630
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:40,079
i gotta ask you know when it comes to

1631
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,280
discussing

1632
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:44,000
the ufo portion of this story jeremy

1633
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:44,480
with

1634
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,799
lou did you guys deduce it all what you

1635
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,119
both personally or collectively think

1636
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,119
the thing might have been in the sky

1637
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,200
or do you have any idea in retrospect

1638
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:57,280
now or are you just as mystified today

1639
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:58,000
as you were back

1640
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,640
then so i had a conversation with lou

1641
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,400
before the taping we we kind of

1642
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,920
accidentally bumped into each other at

1643
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:08,160
the hotel the day before

1644
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:12,319
the interview and lou told me things

1645
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,240
that it blows my mind man

1646
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,319
the validation of what i saw the fact

1647
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,160
that i'm not the only one

1648
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,559
that has reported these things the fact

1649
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,920
that i'm not the only one that has

1650
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:25,119
reported

1651
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,640
that thing at that time at that place

1652
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,119
the fact that what i saw fits into a

1653
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,200
very specific pattern it fits into a

1654
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,200
very specific association of

1655
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:38,240
of uh nuclear movements all sorts of

1656
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:39,200
things and

1657
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,040
i've had conversations with lou post

1658
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,640
the show and he has never told me what

1659
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:47,839
it is

1660
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,799
he has never told me if he knows what it

1661
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:51,599
is

1662
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,359
i have a very very

1663
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,319
solid belief that he knows exactly what

1664
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,000
it is

1665
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:03,040
but i also believe that why he knows

1666
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:03,760
what it is

1667
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,280
is because of his association during his

1668
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,799
involvement with the government which

1669
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,799
falls under his classification and his

1670
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:11,920
security clearance

1671
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,599
and he cannot say so until

1672
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,720
an open source verification of that

1673
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,799
information becomes present or

1674
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:23,040
until the government declassifies what

1675
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:23,920
it is

1676
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:27,839
lou is censored it's frustrating because

1677
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,319
us as viewers and especially the ufo

1678
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,200
community

1679
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,520
are frustrated that we can tell we can

1680
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:35,440
tell he knows more than he's allowed to

1681
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,240
talk about

1682
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,799
but he has stated as such and made it

1683
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,839
very clear

1684
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,520
and you know i respect him for that

1685
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:43,200
there are certain things he cannot talk

1686
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,680
about

1687
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,000
but he's still pursuing these things and

1688
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,400
uh you know we've even floated the idea

1689
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:49,920
that he's finding

1690
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,960
individuals to proxy this information

1691
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,359
through

1692
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,760
that can get it out to the public now

1693
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:57,280
that's you know that's a whole other

1694
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:57,839
story

1695
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,640
but uh yeah you know i never i never got

1696
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,240
that feeling from lou

1697
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,359
lou and i have a lot of commonalities we

1698
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,520
we both belong to a very specific

1699
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:10,400
fraternal organization and uh i found

1700
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,359
that out

1701
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,440
when i met him in person so there are

1702
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,680
things that he has told me that i trust

1703
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:18,960
implicitly because we both have taken

1704
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,240
two of the very same oaths one one with

1705
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:23,680
the military and one with this

1706
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:24,480
organization

1707
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,480
and uh so so i trust him

1708
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:31,200
more than i trust most people in giving

1709
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,599
me

1710
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,319
information like that but i think lou's

1711
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:35,839
on a mission i think lose on a mission

1712
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:36,160
to

1713
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,319
uncover and find unclassified sources

1714
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,000
to validate the information that he

1715
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,680
already has in his head he's

1716
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,480
adamant to me that i am going to know

1717
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:48,160
what it was that i saw

1718
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,200
that i will in my lifetime

1719
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,480
know what it was that i saw that's

1720
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,440
exciting many ufo witnesses never get

1721
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,200
that opportunity especially

1722
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:01,440
in the military well you know sort of

1723
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,799
piggybacking off of that jeremy

1724
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:05,040
what you saw i know you're sort of new

1725
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,319
to the ufo

1726
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,640
world as it were um i am a ufo

1727
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,319
researcher who focuses

1728
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:13,119
on individuals who've had an experience

1729
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,559
you know everything from a light in the

1730
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,599
sky up to

1731
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,520
the most sensational claims of alien

1732
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,359
abduction and everything in between

1733
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:21,680
but it's not even those experiences or

1734
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,799
my my own beliefs or judgments on it

1735
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,440
it's uh how it impacted the life of that

1736
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,280
witness of that individual

1737
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,839
i gotta ask you after having this ufo

1738
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,520
event with something

1739
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,760
on the ground that is highly highly

1740
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,880
highly sensitive

1741
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,559
what does this leave you feeling has

1742
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,240
this ufo event

1743
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,880
impacted your life or changed you in any

1744
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,079
way

1745
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,520
yeah it pissed me off it it angered the

1746
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:49,920
hell out of me because

1747
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:52,319
man when i when i went into the military

1748
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,119
i pissed

1749
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:56,000
red white and blue you know i didn't

1750
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,640
question

1751
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,440
anything i saluted the flag i was like

1752
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,880
you know the united states is the

1753
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:02,720
absolute best place in the world and if

1754
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:03,599
you don't like it

1755
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:06,559
gtfo that was that was my first

1756
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:07,680
experience

1757
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,920
i'm not talking just about the ufo i'm

1758
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:13,920
talking about the crate as well

1759
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:17,760
we might not always be the good guys and

1760
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:21,359
that really really opened my eyes to a

1761
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,079
lot of things and i say that because

1762
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,799
in my research i believe that i've

1763
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:29,040
tracked down the final dispensation of

1764
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:29,839
that crate

1765
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,799
where it went and why it went there and

1766
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:34,160
if

1767
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:37,680
true

1768
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,720
about that the united states

1769
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,799
may well deserve a lot of the bad

1770
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,319
monikers that we've

1771
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,799
we've earned over the years and this is

1772
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,400
coming from a guy that

1773
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,480
you know i served my country i flew the

1774
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,160
flag um

1775
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,440
you know i've i've watched i've i've

1776
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:57,839
lost guys i've i've watched

1777
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,190
you know and at the time

1778
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,119
you you think that there's a reason for

1779
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:09,359
it you think that you're doing the right

1780
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,150
the final dispensation of the crate as

1781
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,680
far as i as far as

1782
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:20,720
i am aware it

1783
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:24,000
tells me that it may not have been the

1784
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:25,520
right thing

1785
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:28,480
in taking the fact that if the

1786
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,200
government

1787
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,039
did what i believe them to have done

1788
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:33,599
with that crate

1789
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,079
they are pretty capable of of

1790
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,799
lying about just about anything you

1791
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:42,400
asked me if it changed the way i look at

1792
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:43,280
i don't trust

1793
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,720
people for anymore we can't even

1794
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:48,160
pretend to know what

1795
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,000
you know you're talking about and when

1796
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:52,240
that will come out and um

1797
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,760
when you'll finally have that

1798
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,440
vindication however

1799
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:58,160
uh that's a very strong statement to

1800
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:58,799
make but

1801
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:02,240
clearly justifiable so you have to

1802
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:02,720
wonder

1803
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:05,440
you know if it was used for purposes

1804
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:06,640
that aren't

1805
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:10,160
so you know well natured as a country or

1806
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:10,720
whatnot

1807
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:13,760
uh it's too bad that damn ufo didn't

1808
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,480
stop it

1809
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,000
you know i mean those these are

1810
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,000
questions you'll probably struggle with

1811
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:20,559
forever and lou will probably struggle

1812
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,280
with and

1813
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,000
and all of us will so yeah i told lou

1814
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,240
and i told anthony my theory

1815
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,200
behind it and they they didn't agree

1816
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,559
they didn't disagree

1817
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,680
lou seemed to accept my

1818
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,079
idea of the final dispensation and where

1819
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,680
things went

1820
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:40,319
just because of his experiences and i

1821
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:40,960
think

1822
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:44,000
i

1823
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,599
about that

1824
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,160
was was enough validation that i'm on

1825
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:53,520
the right track

1826
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,880
it did not make the show at all

1827
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,799
for obvious reasons and i'm not even

1828
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:00,079
saying here

1829
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,200
uh what i what i believe the final

1830
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:05,280
dispensation of that crate to uh to have

1831
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,319
been

1832
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,760
but the guy that they tracked down and

1833
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,839
the guy that they interviewed

1834
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:11,680
that's what he validated he said that my

1835
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,319
theory on that is

1836
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,319
more than likely correct that is

1837
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,880
completely fair um i'll leave it at that

1838
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:21,200
in terms of that um well switching gears

1839
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,880
a little jeremy i'm gonna

1840
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:24,319
i gotta throw a couple listener

1841
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:25,760
questions your way if you don't mind

1842
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,240
sure

1843
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,319
cool yeah we had some excited people on

1844
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:29,920
twitter and facebook for this man

1845
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,200
um andreas on twitter asks

1846
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,359
what do you believe about how the

1847
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,520
phenomenon i i assume he means ufo

1848
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,440
phenomenon is being dealt with

1849
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,280
in congress do you think they should

1850
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,880
open up everything or

1851
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:45,280
do it delicately or yeah what do you

1852
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,400
make of all this new

1853
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,160
information about the senate

1854
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,640
intelligence committee and ufo task

1855
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:51,920
forces and

1856
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,039
it's crazy man this is an age of ufo

1857
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,359
uh acknowledgement by our government

1858
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:59,359
that none of us ever saw coming

1859
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,280
um but everyone is the weirdest year

1860
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,039
that i've ever seen

1861
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:06,319
in this we we we've got murder hornets

1862
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:06,880
we've

1863
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,200
killer frogs coming in from south

1864
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:13,680
america obviously covet i don't

1865
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,640
what the hell happened i mean are we

1866
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:18,160
living in a sim and somebody

1867
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:20,319
ran every subroutine at the exact same

1868
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:21,680
time

1869
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:24,160
some something went sideways here yeah

1870
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,440
um

1871
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,359
the phenomena how's it being dealt with

1872
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:28,799
in congress that's that's a good

1873
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,839
question

1874
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,760
you know i'm probably gonna i'm probably

1875
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,520
gonna piss off a lot of people with this

1876
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,359
and and by a lot of people i mean people

1877
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,760
in congress if they listen

1878
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,839
people in congress are not special they

1879
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:41,520
are just like us they get elected into

1880
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,640
the position

1881
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,799
they don't know anymore any less about

1882
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,240
human nature than

1883
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:48,160
the the tom dick or harry off the street

1884
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:49,520
they just had the virtue of being

1885
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:50,000
elected

1886
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,680
into that position most often than not

1887
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,960
they had the benefit

1888
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:56,880
of having a shitload of money that got

1889
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:58,960
them elected into that position

1890
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:01,440
uh and having money does not necessarily

1891
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:02,799
mean that you have

1892
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,680
humanity's best interest in mind the way

1893
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,359
that they're dealing with it

1894
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,400
they are self-serving they look for what

1895
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:12,079
is in their best interest

1896
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,000
and i think i think right now

1897
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,440
we are kind of a litmus test because

1898
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,680
if you go back 10 or 15 years ago and if

1899
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,520
you had somebody from congress

1900
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,760
in an election year stand up and say hey

1901
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:28,000
i want the ufo files declassified and

1902
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,280
the people should know it

1903
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,440
that dude is not getting reelected but

1904
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:33,359
now mainstream

1905
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:37,359
pop culture and general ideas and in

1906
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,039
in democratic sentiment across the board

1907
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:44,400
is starting to be a lot more accepted of

1908
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,440
this ufo phenomena or the the the

1909
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,359
idea that something else may be out

1910
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,039
there that we may not be alone

1911
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:54,000
so congress now has a little bit more

1912
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,559
leeway

1913
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,720
on an individual level a congressman has

1914
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:58,319
a little bit more leeway

1915
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,599
to look into it in a more open forum

1916
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,520
without getting voted out of office as a

1917
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,799
nut job so

1918
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,559
the stigma that we had in the military

1919
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,559
for not reporting it it translates

1920
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,920
no matter where you are into the

1921
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,839
government realm as well

1922
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,880
so should they open up everything or do

1923
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:16,799
it delicately that was the second part

1924
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,440
of

1925
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,480
andreas question i think

1926
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:23,039
that my answer is probably the wrong

1927
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,079
answer

1928
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,640
i tend to think of myself now especially

1929
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,760
because i don't trust

1930
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:30,000
anybody anymore i tend to think of

1931
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,880
myself now

1932
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:33,839
more a little bit more of an anarchist

1933
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:34,400
than

1934
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,799
just should be laid out

1935
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:41,280
you know open up the library of congress

1936
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,160
open up

1937
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,400
the secret files you know put guided

1938
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:46,559
tours into area 51 and say

1939
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:49,920
this is what we've got deal with it

1940
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,039
had it for the past 65 years and

1941
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,359
boom that's probably the wrong answer

1942
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:57,200
hey i love it man

1943
01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:00,400
as a child of uh you know the punk rock

1944
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,079
persuasion i uh

1945
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:04,400
completely understand that sentiment and

1946
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,599
i mean look

1947
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,440
rip the band-aid off and see how

1948
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,640
humanity

1949
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:11,039
fares in some ways you know i mean look

1950
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:12,240
at how we're dealing with a global

1951
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:13,520
crisis right now

1952
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:17,120
people are you know so you know divided

1953
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,159
that it's it's

1954
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:19,920
making things worse so you have to

1955
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,640
wonder if we drop this disclosure bomb

1956
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,239
is that gonna happen again or is it

1957
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:25,759
gonna make things better

1958
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,719
or worse these are huge sweeping

1959
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,480
generalizations but uh yeah

1960
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,799
yeah you have to wonder if you did take

1961
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,040
that anarchist route and just

1962
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,880
break everything down and build it up

1963
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,239
again from scratch

1964
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:40,560
you know maybe that is the answer you

1965
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,600
know what i would love

1966
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,080
ryan it i don't know the demographic of

1967
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,359
your listener base

1968
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:47,359
but if there are some of your guys that

1969
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:48,400
are listening to this

1970
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,000
that are working in ai

1971
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:54,799
deep analytics game theory and things

1972
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,520
like this

1973
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,679
and and may have some university funding

1974
01:09:02,789 --> 01:08:59,199
money behind them

1975
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:02,799
i would love for somebody to create

1976
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,520
an open source and publicly accessible

1977
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:06,640
simulation

1978
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:09,759
on what happens to society

1979
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:12,880
post disclosure i want to see the result

1980
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,920
of that sim

1981
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,440
interesting i never even thought of that

1982
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,759
man like find those algorithms

1983
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,759
that's fascinating hey any of my

1984
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:21,199
listeners out there and i do have a

1985
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,560
younger audience

1986
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,880
than um a lot of these other ufo shows

1987
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,679
tend to have

1988
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,920
so if you're listening please reach out

1989
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,759
to me possibly jeremy

1990
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:32,080
we'll we'll see or i can um proxy that

1991
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,040
to you um

1992
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,199
please yeah i want that too now that you

1993
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,960
mention it it was the thing i never knew

1994
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,400
i wanted but i now want

1995
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,520
um right well all right well here's

1996
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:44,319
here's another one from electro dj on

1997
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,799
twitter

1998
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,040
love that name uh did anyone else you

1999
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,120
worked with during this operation

2000
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:51,600
think something was out of the ordinary

2001
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,799
simply with the

2002
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:55,040
cryptic nature of it all or do you think

2003
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:56,480
that there possibly could have been some

2004
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:57,360
sort of

2005
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,440
cover this he did say it was

2006
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,920
something possibly retrieved but um did

2007
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,199
anyone else

2008
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,600
i i guess to kind of um add to this

2009
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,560
question jeremy

2010
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,120
did anyone else ever tell you about ufo

2011
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:12,800
activity at the space

2012
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:16,560
or anything weird or mysterious going on

2013
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,840
no no this was unlike any operation that

2014
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,440
i'd ever been with and

2015
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:23,760
you know nobody to answer the first part

2016
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,480
of the question

2017
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,239
did anybody work with during this

2018
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,920
operation think something was out of the

2019
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,800
ordinary

2020
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:31,280
everybody that was there was out of the

2021
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,239
ordinary

2022
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,080
and everybody that was there was out of

2023
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:36,239
the ordinary to everybody else that was

2024
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,120
there

2025
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,920
so the 75th ranger battalion would have

2026
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,840
been looking at my unit going

2027
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,360
what the hell are these guys doing my

2028
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,040
unit's looking at the 75th going what

2029
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,560
the hell are those guys doing here

2030
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,480
the fbi is probably looking at the cia

2031
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,760
going what the hell are those guys that

2032
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:51,040
are doing here and the cia's probably

2033
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,640
looking at the fbi going what the hell

2034
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,920
are those guys doing here

2035
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,199
and now that's at the boots on the

2036
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,920
ground level somebody had coordinated

2037
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,840
all of this and put all this together

2038
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,520
and that's the group or the individual

2039
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,600
or whomever that had

2040
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:06,640
the complete and total picture but

2041
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,239
this operation was so compartmentalized

2042
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:13,199
that you didn't know the guys on the

2043
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,600
ground

2044
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,199
didn't know what the other guys on the

2045
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:17,120
ground were doing everybody had a task

2046
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,320
everybody had a purpose

2047
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:20,400
and everybody executed it with military

2048
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,679
precision

2049
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,480
but we didn't know what the other side

2050
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:26,000
was doing

2051
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,679
so there wasn't an opportunity to

2052
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,199
to think that somebody something was out

2053
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,280
of the ordinary because everything was

2054
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:34,800
out of the ordinary

2055
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:37,520
i have to ask as an air force guy the

2056
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,640
navy know as new ufo reporting protocol

2057
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,880
the army is working with lou and to the

2058
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:44,159
stars academy

2059
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,679
on looking at materials possibly

2060
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:50,159
extraterrestrial or not man-made that's

2061
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,040
a whole other

2062
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,360
conversation but i have to ask you as

2063
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:54,800
former air force

2064
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,080
why has the air force been so quiet

2065
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,040
about all this i mean what what we would

2066
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,120
we would assume they'd be the first

2067
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,880
yeah we haven't been quiet you know what

2068
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,239
we did

2069
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,719
we created the space force mic drop

2070
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,400
right there you're so right man

2071
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,239
and even think about that everybody else

2072
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,000
created a form

2073
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,480
to report it we created a new branch of

2074
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,000
the military

2075
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,920
really good point especially right now

2076
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:21,760
when we see what russia's up to

2077
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:25,360
and uh possibly sending weapons up there

2078
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:26,159
already man

2079
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,520
didn't even think about that you're

2080
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:30,239
right yeah i have no argument there

2081
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,360
let's move to uh

2082
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,239
let's move to peter on facebook he asks

2083
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,080
what happened to the crate

2084
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:39,040
after that did you ever see it again or

2085
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,679
uh

2086
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,000
yeah yeah what what happened there man

2087
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:43,600
well that's that's what i was talking

2088
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:43,920
about

2089
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,480
80 percent self-convinced

2090
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:53,040
position that i know what happened to

2091
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:54,080
the crate

2092
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:57,440
and that's what i i said has has pissed

2093
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,000
me off

2094
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,719
and that's what i said that it's a high

2095
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,719
probability that the united states is

2096
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:04,320
not the good guys

2097
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,760
oftentimes and if that is true that has

2098
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:09,120
changed

2099
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:13,199
geopolitics

2100
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:16,960
at the macro level nothing

2101
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:20,960
nothing that happens can be

2102
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,920
can be definitively explained upon first

2103
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:24,800
viewing

2104
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,080
anything that you see on

2105
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:31,440
world news i mean words what maybe five

2106
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,159
or six hours

2107
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,880
in as we're recording this there was an

2108
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,480
explosion in beirut

2109
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,840
uh earlier today that looked or they're

2110
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,920
saying it was a fireworks factory

2111
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,600
that that went up but if you look at the

2112
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,000
pressure wave that came off that thing

2113
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:48,080
have your listeners look up what a czar

2114
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:49,440
bomb is

2115
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,360
and look at the uh the explosions

2116
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,440
in the pressure wave from the tsar bomb

2117
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,800
and then compare it

2118
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,560
to the pressure wave that came off of

2119
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,000
this fireworks factory yes

2120
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,239
there was a fireworks factory there yes

2121
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:03,840
you can see fireworks happening

2122
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,400
yes the smoke was purple which probably

2123
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,239
indicates potassium iodide

2124
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,000
in in the in the smoke from the

2125
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:12,560
fireworks but that pressure wave

2126
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:16,000
was a singular explosion and it really

2127
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,199
looks like something

2128
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:19,440
like a tsar bomb and you put this

2129
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,239
together

2130
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,719
with the location being at a port and

2131
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,239
being in beirut

2132
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,880
and man i'm telling you if people

2133
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,960
believe that that was a fireworks

2134
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,239
processing facility

2135
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,159
that caused that explosion and pressure

2136
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,239
wave they are discounting

2137
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,719
so many other things that it more than

2138
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,080
likely is

2139
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:40,560
everybody uses occam's razor you know in

2140
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,080
if you don't know what the truth is this

2141
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:44,000
no simplest explanation is probably the

2142
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,280
right explanation

2143
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,840
they're paraphrasing it but now that i

2144
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,640
know

2145
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,480
what the government does and what other

2146
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:52,239
governments do

2147
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:55,040
that is the simplest explanation man i

2148
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,080
think that in that

2149
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,400
case uh probably what happened in

2150
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:00,719
lebanon is they were transporting

2151
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:04,960
one of soviets very powerful non-nuclear

2152
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,320
uh bombs and somebody had an ups

2153
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,239
well we'll let our conspiracy theorists

2154
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:11,920
run with that but that is a highly

2155
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:14,159
educated observation jeremy i'd say on

2156
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,120
your part so

2157
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:17,280
i'm not discounting anything absolutely

2158
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,320
anything at this point

2159
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:20,320
but to answer to answer peter's question

2160
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,679
yes i've

2161
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,640
i've tracked down people that were on

2162
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,400
the receiving end of that crate

2163
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:29,280
and were in different locations where

2164
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,640
the crate ended up

2165
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,480
and it doesn't make me happy we'll leave

2166
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,400
it at that all right our last listener

2167
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,520
question here comes from

2168
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:37,840
lisa and quite a few others myself

2169
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,560
included

2170
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,480
have this question for you uh have you

2171
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:42,239
talked to any of the other people that

2172
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,120
lou interviewed

2173
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:46,239
uh this season past season or not even

2174
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,120
on the show

2175
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:50,239
other military officers um yeah has this

2176
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,679
kind of opened the world and the

2177
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,600
discourse for you with other

2178
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,679
service men and women about this topic

2179
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:56,800
at all

2180
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,360
it has but i approach it with caution uh

2181
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,800
mike v

2182
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:02,159
via i don't know how to pronounce his

2183
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,360
name mike if you're listening i

2184
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,280
apologize for butchering your name

2185
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,920
uh mike was the guy that was featured in

2186
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,560
the bright

2187
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:10,880
the black triangle episode in episode

2188
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,679
two

2189
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,840
and he was the uh the naval signals

2190
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,480
analyst that uh that was in episode two

2191
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,080
mike and i tracked each other down and

2192
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,320
we've had a series of conversations

2193
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,400
and we've we've kind of refined our own

2194
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:24,560
personal theories about things and

2195
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:28,719
and shared uh a lot of things that

2196
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,239
you're not going to see on the show

2197
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,679
we've shared a lot of things that you're

2198
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:35,840
probably not even going to see if you

2199
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,080
uh if you dive into the black vault and

2200
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:39,920
things like that just things that

2201
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:42,880
that we've had access to that we're not

2202
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:45,679
either capable or ready to

2203
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:48,880
to mention but but yeah we've we've

2204
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,440
talked

2205
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,440
and some of the folks that i've known in

2206
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:52,719
the military

2207
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,760
uh have have reached out to me post show

2208
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,679
and said hey i don't want to be on the

2209
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,360
show i don't want to

2210
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,719
have anything to do with this but i just

2211
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,480
want to let you know that when i was in

2212
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,320
iraq or when i was in irbil or when i

2213
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,679
was in kandahar

2214
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,679
uh you know i had i had a similar

2215
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:09,840
experience and this is my story man

2216
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:12,560
that's awesome yeah and i mean i will i

2217
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,840
will be the first to admit

2218
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,400
it was not easy tracking you down i uh i

2219
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,400
had to get a little uh stalkerish in

2220
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,000
terms of the internet but hey

2221
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,920
it's the age we live in but uh i think

2222
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,840
that's good because otherwise

2223
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:25,440
man once you start talking about this

2224
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,239
topic you're in it's like the mafia

2225
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,239
there's no getting out so kind of

2226
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,920
piggybacking off of that

2227
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,080
where do we go from here your personal

2228
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,239
thoughts on ufos and

2229
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,480
these phenomena are we dealing with one

2230
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:40,880
phenomenon when it comes to ufos

2231
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,560
uh or multi phenomenon i guess is a good

2232
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,480
way to put it um

2233
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,640
what do you think is the most important

2234
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,560
thing to take away from

2235
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,040
uh your dive into this world of ufos and

2236
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,199
for humanity overall i guess

2237
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,760
pretty broad question there the absolute

2238
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:59,760
most important thing to take away from

2239
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,320
this

2240
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:03,040
is don't trust and i'm sorry if i'm

2241
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:04,400
cussing on your on your show i don't

2242
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:05,600
know if you have to bleep that no

2243
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,840
not at all don't trust what the

2244
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,280
government's saying

2245
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,840
don't trust anybody and don't even trust

2246
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,360
your own eyes

2247
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,600
until you can see it taste it hold it

2248
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:17,440
feel it and verify it

2249
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,199
don't trust it because this goes back to

2250
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:22,800
what i think the government did with

2251
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,560
that crate if they're capable of doing

2252
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:26,000
that with the crate they're capable of

2253
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:26,640
doing some

2254
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:29,679
really nasty crap and

2255
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:33,760
the second most important thing is

2256
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,440
my personal belief yeah we're not alone

2257
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:39,600
we're just we're just not it's a very

2258
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,840
powerful statement i appreciate you

2259
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,360
you know saying that especially with

2260
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,960
what you've been through what you've

2261
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,800
seen what you haven't seen

2262
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,760
and uh everything in between jeremy um

2263
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,600
that's all i have for you here man is

2264
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,880
there anywhere

2265
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,960
that listeners might be able to reach

2266
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,480
out to you or um

2267
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,800
would you rather remain private in terms

2268
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,920
of that um

2269
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:02,239
yeah anything you're willing to share a

2270
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:03,679
little bit of column a and a little bit

2271
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:04,480
of column b

2272
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:07,840
um i'm findable you found me

2273
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,719
so today uh right before this recording

2274
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:13,040
i actually created a brand new twitter

2275
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,000
account

2276
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:17,440
just for uh these types of conversations

2277
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:18,080
it's

2278
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:24,960
compartmentalize

2279
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,600
this if anybody wants to reach out to me

2280
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,520
and and talk to me about this

2281
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,840
uh they can they can get direct with me

2282
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:33,040
i don't know if you want me to give it

2283
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:34,719
to you over the air or if you want to

2284
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,760
sure yeah okay so i'm gonna have to read

2285
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,800
it because i haven't memorized it

2286
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:40,719
because i just created it today

2287
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:43,679
so it's uh my twitter for this is at

2288
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:44,760
jeremy

2289
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,640
j-e-r-e-m-y unidentified but it's not

2290
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:49,679
spelled out it's

2291
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:53,280
jeremy j e r e m y u n i

2292
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:56,880
d e n t i one so it's jeremy

2293
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,840
unidenti one you're gonna get a lot of

2294
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:01,760
followers after this

2295
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,760
man let's measure this because as of

2296
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:05,280
right now i've got eight

2297
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,960
okay okay hey the slow and steady uh

2298
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:10,560
horse wins the race right

2299
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:13,760
yeah took me years to get where i am so

2300
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,560
um

2301
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,880
brother i have to uh welcome you into

2302
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:18,960
somewhere in this guy's family um i

2303
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,280
thank you sincerely for all that you

2304
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,120
shared with us today it was a lot

2305
01:20:26,629 --> 01:20:25,360
and uh your honest opinions are what we

2306
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:26,639
want on this you know

2307
01:20:33,550 --> 01:20:30,239
we're so used to um carefully worded

2308
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,560
documents and spin when it comes to uh

2309
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:36,000
disinformation and and narratives and

2310
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,120
agendas of

2311
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:39,360
whether it's the government or military

2312
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,320
so um

2313
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,760
the fact that you were willing to come

2314
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:43,360
forward on the show

2315
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,560
and now on other outlets to share

2316
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:48,800
what you saw and what you experienced uh

2317
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,440
again it's only adding to that uh

2318
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:53,840
that mountain of evidence that we we're

2319
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,639
all looking for

2320
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,560
so yeah is there anything you want to

2321
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:58,400
leave the listeners with before we wrap

2322
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,520
up here

2323
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,360
uh the only thing that i want to say is

2324
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,159
is that and and maybe we can we can push

2325
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,000
this into a second interview later on

2326
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,159
down the road or what have you but

2327
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:10,000
there's a reason for this disclosure

2328
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:11,280
push

2329
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:14,400
something is happening hopefully for the

2330
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:15,040
better

2331
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,040
jeremy i have to thank you so much for

2332
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,280
again for your service to our country

2333
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,920
and uh for coming on here and talking

2334
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,520
with me at length about this

2335
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,280
and for joining me today on summer in

2336
01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:27,440
the skies absolutely it's been a

2337
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,390
pleasure ryan thank you

2338
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:31,280
[Music]

2339
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,280
that's it for this week's episode if

2340
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:35,600
some of you will recall i tweeted about

2341
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:38,080
some disturbing things jeremy and i

2342
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,960
discussed

2343
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,480
and a lot of people asked what it

2344
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,000
pertained to this

2345
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:44,560
is the first time in somewhere in this

2346
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,440
guy's history

2347
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:47,760
that i could not share what a guest had

2348
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,880
to tell me

2349
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,280
for two reasons it was said in

2350
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:52,880
confidence by our guest

2351
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,960
and requested to not be made public yet

2352
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,760
second where that crate ended up and for

2353
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,880
what purpose

2354
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,280
is something that can be tracked down

2355
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:04,960
with enough research

2356
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,280
i urge you to reach out to jeremy

2357
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,719
mcgowan on twitter

2358
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,800
he started a twitter account for this

2359
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:12,239
very reason

2360
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:15,520
so be sure to reach out to him at jeremy

2361
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:18,800
on identi one again that's at

2362
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:22,000
jeremy u n i d e n

2363
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,239
t i no matter the case his ufo event

2364
01:22:30,590 --> 01:22:28,400
adds to the growing list of military

2365
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:30,600
witnesses coming forward to tell their

2366
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,040
extraordinary ufo stories

2367
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,280
and i thank him for keeping an open

2368
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,360
dialogue with all of us

2369
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:39,920
maybe someday and according to luis

2370
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:40,960
elizondo

2371
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,080
some day soon jeremy and all of us

2372
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,920
will know what happened that night in

2373
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,000
the jordanian desert

2374
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,800
also jeremy was super accommodating and

2375
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:52,080
stuck around for a little

2376
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:55,520
post-show patreon discussion we debrief

2377
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,400
by talking about

2378
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:59,120
why he believes all of the current ufo

2379
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,760
discussion

2380
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:02,000
by the public the military and the

2381
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:02,880
government

2382
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,080
is being rolled out right now if

2383
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,440
this is disclosure why is it happening

2384
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,639
his answers are truly fascinating

2385
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,639
this special bonus episode is now

2386
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,159
available to patrons

2387
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,960
over on the patreon campaign to listen

2388
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:21,040
or to learn more and become a member

2389
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,440
visit patreon.com somewhere skies

2390
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,360
be sure to check out the rest of season

2391
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,040
2 of unidentified

2392
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:31,199
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2393
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:32,800
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2394
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,920
visit history.com you can follow us

2395
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,159
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2396
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,920
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2397
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,760
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2398
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:43,360
review the show wherever you get your

2399
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,239
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2400
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,159
it truly helps us to possibly get

2401
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:48,080
featured on various podcast

2402
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:51,120
apps thank you in advance if you have a

2403
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:53,120
ufo story you'd like to share on the

2404
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,840
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2405
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,840
reach out to me personally by using the

2406
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,679
contact tab on the website

2407
01:24:01,270 --> 01:24:00,159
somewhere in the skies dot com i'll see

2408
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,280
you here next week

2409
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,040
and remember keep your feet on the

2410
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:05,199
ground but never stop searching

2411
01:24:26,530 --> 01:24:25,430
[Music]

2412
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:26,540
[Applause]

2413
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,719
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2414
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,639
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2415
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